The racism in Pukekohe more than 70 years ago made a deep and disturbing impression on Joan Metge when her family lived there for three years while her school teacher dad was first assistant at Pukekohe Primary during World War Two. That experience set her on a path to learn (and then teach) what she could about the Māori communities which were so close and yet so foreign to Pākehā. Her work has helped many New Zealanders become more attuned to, and embrace, the different ways we live our lives. It has led as well to widespread respect and affection for her – and to a range of awards and honours. Here Dame Joan tells Dale Husband about her background and about the path she has travelled.
I have always proudly carried the name of Pākehā because my Māori friends use it to identify those people, mostly of British descent, who have put down their roots in this country.
My parents, often, would use the term “Home” – and you heard the capital H when they talked of England. I used to challenge them about that. Silently at first and, later, quite openly. To me, this country, Aotearoa New Zealand is home. I belong here and my identity is a marriage between my Scottish, Irish and English ancestry and my personal friendships with tangata whenua, with Māori. I claim that I belong here as much as they do, even if I can’t claim the same length of whakapapa connection.
Can you tell us a bit about your parents and their background?
My father was Cedric Leslie Metge. Centuries ago the Metge name was French. An ancestor fled France at the time of religious persecutions and went to Ireland where there was already a group of Huguenot refugees. And my grandfather came to New Zealand from a town called Navan, north-west of Dublin.
My mother was Alice Mary Rigg. Her mother came from Stroud in Gloucestershire. Her father must have been an upwardly mobile tradesman because he was adamant that none of his womenfolk were going to go out to work. She didn’t agree with that. She had a mind of her own. She wanted to be a nurse so, the day she was 21, she left home, went to London, did her nursing training there – and met my grandfather who came from Cumbria, near the Scottish border.
My parents met through teaching. My father was teaching at an Auckland school when my mother, who was several years younger, arrived as a trainee teacher “on section”.
In those days, you didn’t marry promptly. They were engaged for three years and didn’t marry until my father was appointed as the headmaster at Tauraroa School just south of Whangarei.
Seeing that both of my parents were teachers, my sister (Dorothy) and I grew up in a home focussed on learning. But higher education was almost an impossible dream in those days. So, when I finally got to university, I spent the first week there walking at least a foot off the ground.
Now I look at my grand nieces and nephews who take their right to go to university entirely for granted – and I think “you don’t know how lucky you are”.
I understand you spent your early years living in Pukekohe.
Actually, I spent my first 10 years in Auckland. These were the Depression years, so life was pretty constrained. My father’s salary took one cut, if not two, in that time. And, on the horizon, there were war clouds which finally broke just about the time we moved to Pukekohe.
When we finally got a house there, it was outside the town limits. Across the road it was all market gardens. And that was my first . . . well, I won’t say “encounter” with Māori, because it wasn’t really an encounter. But I saw those Māori workers in the gardens at a time when there were no trade unions for migrant workers.
They were seen as rather feckless drifters. And there were no by-laws to govern the obligations of owners to provide proper housing and so on.
So I had an early and shocking encounter with the way we can treat our fellow human beings. Most of the workers on the gardens were Māori. And it was sort of received wisdom among the Pākehā that they all came from elsewhere. But, years and years later, I found out that many of them were, in fact, the descendants of the previous owners of that territory.
It was in Pukekohe that I saw a very real social and economic divide between Māori and Pākehā. But, at the same time, I had the opportunity to make personal friendships.
My best friend at school was Eileen Yate who came from the gardens. Her mother was Māori, and her father, Willie Yate, was Chinese.
We had a Māori curate at the Anglican Church in Pukekohe and every time I have to define aroha I think of him. Aperahama Kena. He was the most outgoing, generous and loving man. And we also had occasional visits from Mutu Kapa from Te Aupouri in the Far North. He was the pastor for the Māori community in Tuakau. Whenever I think of the word mana, I think of him. He had an innate dignity, secure in his own identity. He treated everyone with great courtesy.
I think those Pukekohe years, in all sorts of ways, were crucial because they showed me that there was another world apart from the monocultural Pākehā world in which I’d grown up to that point.
We left Pukekohe and went to Matamata at the beginning of secondary school for me. And that was also very interesting because there were a number of small Māori communities in the surrounding country which, in many ways, were isolated from the rest of the population. So I didn’t really have any Māori friends in Matamata. But it did start me off with an interest in the history of the Waikato, especially the Land Wars and the outstanding leaders like Wiremu Tamihana and Rewi Maniapoto.
Sadly, a lot of Pākehā have grown up in circumstances where they haven’t made Māori friends, where they haven’t been to their houses, or visited marae. But the contact has become more commonplace, hasn’t it? And bi-cultural relationships may not sit quite so comfortably in many other parts of the world.
We like to boast about having the best race relations in the world. And it’s true that we have come a long way in my lifetime. But, during my growing up in Pukekohe, things were very far from perfect.
The middle-class Pākehā living in Pukekohe were good-hearted in many ways, but they were involved with their own lives and with fighting the war. The problem, now as then, is that when we know only one culture and one language we live in that world, like fish live in water, taking it for granted that this is the way that things are, and this is the way things ought to be – and we have a shocking history of imposing that very ethno-centric and, ultimately, very arrogant view on other people.
My life has been a process of finding out to what extent we have done that to Māori. I can remember reading Dick Scott’s book The Parihaka Story (the first version of Ask That Mountain) and I was utterly shocked at what had happened in my own country which I had believed till then had always adhered to the rule of law and to justice.
As I said, we have come an unimaginably long way from where we were when I was young, but it’s important that we acknowledge what has happened in the past.
Part of the reward of making Māori friends is finding out there are two sides to our history. There’s the bad side but also the good side, the friendships, the partnerships, the long-standing relationships – and, of course, the marriages that have arisen as a consequence.
As you look back now on the life you’ve led and on the research you’ve done, how do you feel about having taken the opportunities to see and understand some of the dynamics of a Māori world that few of your contemporaries have shared?
Well, at Pukekohe I had the feeling that there was a whole world, a Māori world, of which I only had glimpses. And not only did I want to know something about that, but I realised that other Pakeha like me, needed to know much more, because we were ignorant. That was the motivation that took me to university.
I went there to study anthropology. But, although it was on the books, anthropology wasn’t actually being taught. So I ended up doing degrees in geography. I saw that as laying the groundwork for personal encounters which would open up the Māori world, and for finding out what was going on in the present.
At that time there was a lot of talk about Māori urban migration, and almost everybody – Māori elders and politicians anyway – talked about it in negative terms, using words like “drift” as if the migrants didn’t have good reasons for migrating.
There was an awful lot of people making generalisations and I wanted to get to the heart of it. But nobody was talking to Māori, to the people involved, to those actually moving to the city.
So my first research was done in Auckland, in the central city streets lined with apartment houses and in a rural community up north. And I didn’t look beyond that immediate task. I just saw it as something that needed to be done. And I found that it was confronting and difficult, but very rewarding.
I couldn’t have managed it without scholarships. Then I went overseas to London and wrote it all up as a PhD thesis, under the eye of Raymond Firth, a New Zealander who had come from a South Auckland farm (called Otara) where Otara was later established.
I could have stayed in England and been an academic, but I’ve never seen myself as an academic. I’ve always seen the pursuit of knowledge as a means to an end. And, when I came back, I was unemployed for several years. I survived with the help of a Carnegie scholarship to do some social science research, and then got a job in Adult Education, a branch of the university concerned with outreach to the general community.
And there I was privileged to work with Matiu Te Hau, Maharaia Winiata and, later on, Koro Dewes.
I was teaching courses on Māori society and culture – not as an expert on those subjects but as a sort of conduit where I could pass on what I’d learned to other Pākehā.
No doubt there was some Māori opposition to the role you were playing?
Yes. There were Māori who felt that Pākehā should keep their noses out of Māori research. But my argument has been that I (and other Pākehā) know what we need to tell other Pākehā because we know what they don’t know.
The opposition and challenges I faced from a few Māori were more than outweighed by the co-operation and aroha of the many. The more I have listened and learned, the more I have come to understand the anger and to appreciate the patience and graciousness of the majority.
Dame Alice Joan Metge
Born Feb 21, 1930
MA, University of Auckland, 1952
Ph D, London School of Economics, 1958
Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire, 1987
Te Rangi Hiroa Medal for social science research, 1997
Asia Pacific Mediation Forum Peace Prize, 2006
Her books include:
A New Maori Migration 1964
Talking Past Each Other 1978
In and Out of Touch 1986
Korero Tahi: Talking Together 2001
Tuamaka: The Challenge of Difference in Aotearoa New Zealand 2010
Tauira: Maori Methods of Learning and Teaching 2015
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I visited Dame Joan Metge
I visited Dame Joan Metge last week. I was her priest for a number of years at Mangere Maori Anglican Church – Te Karaiti Te Pou Herenga Waka. She is a quiet and reserved person who has a passion for things Maori.
I lived and taught at
I lived and taught at Patumahoe in the late 60’s and saw first hand the overt racism that was still continuing there and in surrounding areas at that time. I returned in the early 80’s and although things had improved lightly there was still a strong current of the things that Dame Joan mentioned with the belief that the Maori working in the gardens and such places were transient and therefore lacked any sense of self. Fortunately there were some strong leaders coming forward and driving the move to reclaim the mana that had been taken from them in earlier times. I thank Dame Joan for the insights she has given me and other Pakeha into Te Ao Maori.
You are one of a few whose
You are one of a few whose life has become more the richer because of what you have done. I have gone the other way and I have come to understand, appreciate and accept pakeha. I am comfortable in both worlds and by taking the best if both worlds my life is more the richer.
This is a very interesting
This is a very interesting article especially as we farewelled a retired teacher last week who shared stories of having moved from America to own potato farms in Pukekohe 60 odd years ago. This retired teacher happily told us ‘Maori’ in the room that it was because of her family that many of our people had jobs on the potato farms they owned. She also recites going to the movies in Pukekohe where those Maori sat at the bottom of the theatre and the whites sat above them. She said she always wanted to go below and sit with them as she looked from the seats above but knew not too because it would dirty her dress?? I asked why did she did not ask ‘those Maori kids’ to come up and sit with her if she thought they was so dirty. No response. Although her mother had remarried a white NZ man and resettled here, she had been brought up by black Nannys in Texas and to this day believes it is because of ‘us, we Maori’ who are to blame for her white friends and herself being racist? I did not attend her farewell. And due to colonisation many of my Maori colleagues stayed silent over the years allowing her to vent her eloquent thoughts about Maori publically without question.
I have enjoyed reading Joan’s work over the years and can see what she has tried to do for both cultures, however so much more needs to be done by Maori for Maori and Tauiwi alike.
Tena koe whaea.Kia mau ki te
Tena koe whaea.Kia mau ki te aroha.
Different communities in
Different communities in Aotearoa have had different “experiences” in relation to racism. I understand that those communities where there was a need for “itinerant” workers (even if some of those itinerants were tangata whenua of THAT place!) had more unsatisfactory race relations. The wife of one of my lecturers (he wahine Maori) related how she was informed very politely in a Pukekohe shop while she was in that town on a teaching section in the 50s that “your shop is down the road”. She insisted she was going to be served in THIS shop and her wish was granted! I understand that Otaki, another market gardening area, had similar race issues. I know as well that there were negative race relations in many other small towns – my mum tells us that in the 30s in Kawakawa, Maori sat downstairs in the cinema and pakeha sat upstairs! My father said that these things never happened in his hometown, Russell, which had a long history of inter-racial contact and inter-marriage as well, to the point that many pakeha residents had Maori relatives. E nga whanaunga! Kia ora koutou.
I too grew up part pakeha and
I too grew up part pakeha and Maori and understand the feeling of being in between .i will get some of the books to pass on to my children so they understand their heritage.
We have differences but not
We have differences but not racism, we have perceptions of our world that we have contained. You cannot say someone is racist because they have a view or perception.just because someone has a biased view does not indicate that they are racist.
I have just finished reading
I have just finished reading Michael King’s “Being Pakeha Now.” Many of Metge’s comments are an echo of King’s observations. We’ve come a long way but we have a long way to go. I’m pakeha and my husband is maori. We have meet later in life and I’m often taken-a-back by how different our thinking is on a range of things but then we talk, listen, agree and agree to differ. Much better than I managed in my first marriage, so is that because of maturity and patience????
Kia ora Dale, Joan Metge is
Kia ora Dale, Joan Metge is special but her answer’s around the benevolent Maori verse the malevolent Maori are somewhat disturbing. I appreciate her work but her age show’s through when she attempts to segregate us into the good ones and the bad ones. The 70’s saw people like Hana Jackson rise to confront the endemic racism that existed and it was people such as Hana that would have questioned the validity of the Metge’s ‘anthropological study’ of our people. I disagree with her stance that the work she does supports pakeha to confront her work as this is too simplistic as the evidence on where our people are economically and culturally are today. 70 years after her personal crusade. Yes, her work is good and it is great that she had the resources and skills to record our peoples ‘he taonga tuku iho’ but … change on the pakeha front? Little movement!
Thank you Joan. Such
Thank you Joan. Such important work. I grew up in the country too and it was very much as ypu say. We are all so proud of you
Great article and a really
Great article and a really good read. Of course its about my hometown so it is of extra special relevance to me. My brother seems to think he remembers this little old lady coming out in her slippers to get the mail. Corner of Windmill and Beatty Rd. I told him she’s probably come out to make sure he doesn’t pinch her milk bottle money.
But seriously, every once in a while people like her come along and ask questions that should be asked. People who think outside the box. A lot of problems in not just Pukekohe society, but society in general – regardless of ethnicity – is the ignorance and total disregard from one race to or of the other. The perception that a fish should stay in its bowl. I also believe that if you look hard enough for something, you will find it. Think racism, but harmony too.
My father’s generation moved
My father’s generation moved from the north in the 1950’s to Pukekohe and experienced racism such as not being able to go into certain shops, bars, barber shops, hotels, upstair in the picture theatres, or rent houses etc. I asked an uncle of mine who had continued to live for over 50 years whether things had changed. At the time his answer surprised and disappointed. He said nothing had changed it (racism) was done differently and not openly as it had been in the past. That was 15 years ago and he has passed away since. Very sad but I sense that while there appear to be outward changes, racism in Pukekohe it is very much alive.
Ae, I too remember those days
Ae, I too remember those days many years ago, in Pukekohe, spending the school holidays with my brother and his wife picking veges for Hop Lee, they were good times whilst among the maori community, but when we went to town that was so different, only going to certain shops and as for the pictures yes we were separated, my big brother used to make sure we were sitting near the front so we wouldnt wear the rubbish that was dropped from upstairs, gosh i had forgotten about those times , yes Ignornce was there for sure, and there is still a few that have retained that when maori is involved, it can only get better god willing.
Great reading enjoyed the article
I met Joan in Kaitaia when I
I met Joan in Kaitaia when I was a student on section at Ahipara. We were at Rev Williams place. Since I have met her on a few occasions and am familiar with some of her work. She was a pioneer.
Wow gorgeous story im maori
Wow gorgeous story im maori came to Pukekohe in the early 1950’s wat a neat story and yes Pukekohe was a very colour bar community back than diffrent now our people have risen above those selfish arogant humanoids there is still a few left in our town that need to get a life, like need to get real cos i for one cant be bothered with their childish ways , i just move rite along lolz
kia ora for this piece of
kia ora for this piece of work. this marvelous lady needs to come back to Pukekohe and enlighten some of our pakeha people about race relations. i live in Pukekohe and last week i read a disturbing piece of journalism in the e-local.
Totally ignorant racist stirrers in our community. if you get a chance read it and you will know why a few of us maori are upset.
Thank you so much for writing about her she is an outstanding inspiring lady.
Agree totally Denise. I read
Agree totally Denise. I read an article a year or two back and was amazed at the attitude of the editor.
Any chance you could post a
Any chance you could post a link to the article you are referring to, Denise?
Totally agree about the
Totally agree about the racism and IGNORANCE of the e-local magazine, and very alarmed that it is freely circulated around the Papakura and Franklin areas! The terrible articles continued in the July/August issues. It makes me sick to my stomach.
An awesome lady who has made
An awesome lady who has made a valuable contribution to NZ society. I have seen the e local article. Can you think of a way that we can protedt this magazine. I know of a large group that are going to do this via art.