There’s a new treaty in town. It looked as though Waitangi was a game changer in 1840. But this deal is something else again.
Remember how last time Hobson talked up the Treaty and hawked it throughout the country? This new one is secret. No one, except for the negotiating team, has seen the text.
And remember how the British thought the Treaty might be a useful way to cut out the likes of the pesky New Zealand Company? Well, the new one could hand more chunks of the country to big overseas corporations on a plate.
You know how things haven’t worked out at all well for the tangata whenua over the last 175 years? This time it looks as if things could get worse for them – and for a lot of other New Zealanders too.
I’m talking about the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement. The TPPA.
And a group of us are so concerned about it that we have asked the Waitangi Tribunal for an urgent hearing on the issue.
For the last five years, the Crown has been hard-out negotiating the TPPA with 11 other countries. It is hopeful that dismantling export barriers will improve New Zealand’s ability to compete within the Asia-Pacific, generating “higher incomes for New Zealanders.” When I hear that kind of talk, I get a flashback to the 1980s and the notion of “level playing fields.” Something did trickle down on to poor folk and it wasn’t wealth.
Trade is good. Māori have always been great traders and entrepreneurs. But the TPPA is not just about trade. It’s about investor rights. Highflyers from at least seven of the dozen countries involved are worried about the impact that the TPPA might have on ordinary people. These include bigwigs in the UN and the World Health Organization (WHO) and jurists and health professionals as well as prominent members of the US Congress (like Senator Elisabeth Warren). Even Joseph Stiglitz, former Chief Economist of the World Bank, has weighed in:
“There is a real risk that it [the TPPA] will benefit the wealthiest sliver of the American and global elite at the expense of everyone else.”
As a Nobel Prize winner, he probably knows a thing or two.
The Crown agrees that “the TPP covers a broad spectrum of issues and interests and will impact on all New Zealanders” and that “this is relevant to the range of factors that must be weighed when assessing the Crown’s kawanatanga obligations as well as its Treaty obligations to Māori.”
So we should just trust the Crown? Despite its track record?
We say that the secrecy surrounding the negotiations is itself a breach of the Treaty obligation to actively engage with Māori. No one has seen the text. Not Māori. Not the health professionals. Or even the Greens, Mana, Labour, Māori, or the NZ First MPs in Parliament.
The negotiators keep saying that, once the agreement is signed, the rest of us will be able to see what’s in it. Ever had anyone sign a contract on your behalf without knowing what’s in it?
All the leaks suggest New Zealand might have to sign an awful lot away in order to flog off a few more bags of milk powder.
You see it’s not just about milk and meat. There is stuff on the table that a lot of people would say has no place in a “trade” deal i.e. intellectual property, financial services, and State Owned Entities. And there are rules so that foreign investors can protect their investments and maximise their profit. That means the stakes are very high.
According to Joshua Freeman (from Doctors for Healthy Trade), “the list of specific concerns [about the TPPA] is long, but the broad concerns are two-fold – healthcare costs would rise, and public health policy would be muzzled.”
Drug companies and even the US Trade Office hate NZ’s Pharmac (our bulk-buyer of pharmaceutical drugs). They think it’s unfair. The TPPA would limit Pharmac’s ability to bargain with drug companies to keep the cost of medicines affordable. And pressure on the nation’s health budget would escalate because of a big push to extend patents. So there could be delayed introduction of generic medicines, and longer exclusive protections for expensive new cancer and immunosuppressant medicines.
Leaked texts also indicate that the TPPA would give exceptional rights and protections to foreign investors. Referring to this phenomenon, the Director General of the WHO stated earlier this year:
“One particularly disturbing trend is the use of foreign investment agreements to handcuff governments and restrict their policy space. … In my view, something is fundamentally wrong in this world when a corporation can challenge government policies introduced to protect the public from a product that kills.”
In other words, there would be handcuffs on future governments when they make policy and pass laws to protect our land, ocean and health.
You see, under the TPPA, foreign investors would be able to sue the Government in private offshore tribunals if it makes changes to health or environment policy that will affect an investment – like significantly reducing projected profits. The corporations could seek many millions in compensation.
This kind of thing already happens under similar agreements. Germany was sued after the government decided to dismantle its nuclear reactors post-Fukushima. In El Salvador, the government refused to issue new mining permits after its water was polluted, and a company that had already started its environmental due diligence sued for over $300 million.
Okay. Companies suing governments isn’t new. And New Zealand has few of these agreements anyway. So do we really want to handcuff our future governments by signing more of them, especially with the US?
What if our courts declared that a foreign resort developer ought to pay costs for damage to wāhi tapu? What if New Zealand passed new laws against genetically modified kai? What if we wanted to combat obesity by putting graphic warnings on food with high sugar content, as we do with tobacco? And what say New Zealanders agreed that there had to be new big, fat insurance deposits made by oil companies in case of spills? Say a company from a TPPA state was granted an exploration licence for deep sea drilling and a court ruled that iwi had a right of veto in any permit process?
Would any of those trigger a dispute? And what could be the consequences?
New Zealand could end up in one of those dodgy offshore “investor state dispute tribunals” like Canada or El Salvador. Or our government could be so nervy it avoids making any decisions or new regulations that would upset its TPPA whānau.
You see that’s the handcuff effect. There is real potential for constraints on our government’s policy and lawmaking ability. So you have to ask – who will be running the show if it’s not our government?
And that brings us right back to that first Treaty. We, as claimants, assert that the biggest drama for Māori is the potential tension between the Crown’s obligations under the Treaty of Waitangi versus New Zealand’s obligations under this mega free trade & investment agreement, the TPPA.
If the Crown binds itself, under the TPPA, to obligations that are likely to be inconsistent with the Treaty, it effectively cuts off any ability for Māori to seek remedies for breaches in the future.
Six claimant groups to the Waitangi Tribunal say the obligation of the Crown is more than just putting general information out there. We say it has to pro-actively consult with Māori so it can make informed decisions. There’s no evidence of a risk assessment of the TPPA’s impact upon the Treaty – or anything else for that matter. Health professionals around the world are saying that, prior to any agreement being signed, it is essential that an independent, publicly released, and comprehensive health impact assessment be performed.
The Crown asserts that claimants and the Tribunal cannot “jump to conclusions” without more information.
How ironic.
A lack of information is precisely why we are seeking urgency to require the Crown to actively engage and protect our rights before the TPPA’s a done deal.
Wai2522 is an application to the Waitangi Tribunal for an urgent hearing. It was filed by Papaarangi M J Reid, Moana Jackson, Angeline Greensill, Hone Pani Tamati Waka Nene Harawira, Rikirangi Gage and Moana Maniapoto. There are now six separate claims and 11 other groups who have registered as interested parties with the Waitangi Tribunal.
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kia ora Moana … for this
kia ora Moana … for this opportunity 2 comment on the TPPA … im stil getin my head around this issue … however i support u Moana in this issue …
I hope the Waitangi Tribunal
I hope the Waitangi Tribunal are part of the “others” mentioned in the Co-applicants in the proceedings include Consumer NZ, the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists, Greenpeace and Oxfam, among others. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1507/S00317/secrecy-of-tppa-documents-heads-to-court.htm
Uh oh…..is that the sound
Uh oh…..is that the sound of the ‘Fabian Society’ I hear scuttling around in the background of the TTPA ??
Great write and thanks for
Great write and thanks for keeping us up to speed with the carryon in this space. Scary spice prevails I don’t get all the secrecy, just another ToW breach, they are consistent this lot!
FELLOW HUMANS, ITS TIME TO RE
FELLOW HUMANS, ITS TIME TO RE ASSESS WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE OUR PRIORITIES HERE. WE ARE DEALING WITH DIABOLIC FORCES, FORCES THAT ARE PUSHING TO RULE THE WORLD FOR THE BENEFIT OF A FEW.. PUSHING TO SEPARATE US FROM THE TRUTH.
LETS COME TOGETHER, EYES OPENED, HEART OPENED, AND SPEAK OUT WHAT IS PURPOSELY KEPT SILENT. LETS MAKE EVERYONE KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, AND HOW ITS GOING TO AFFECT US ALL!
WE HAVE TO STOP IT, NOBODY ELSE WILL DO IT FOR US!
Thank you Moana for
Thank you Moana for ecplaining all the dangers in such clear words.
we have to oppose that treaty with all our strength.
Great informative article –
Great informative article – cheers
Don’t email your politicians
Don’t email your politicians.Emails they will just delete without even reading.
Send a handwritten letter as then by law they have to respond with a personal letter.So send many handwritten letters. It takes more time and effort sure,but then this is an issue that matters.
Has anyone wondered why in
Has anyone wondered why in the past 12months Australia’s greatest export of iron ore, dropped dramatically, and now New Zealand has also found it’s biggest export of dairy has also declined dramatically. Think about it. Who will be called on to help these two countries out of this crisis!!! I don’t think the Solicitor General for the Crown will give you an honest answer.
The government has
The government has overstepped the mark to often, it needs to stop. All political parties need to unite and stop what is happening, the people need a voice in parliament. We need someone to speak the truth…
Last night, NZ First tried to
Last night, NZ First tried to get the Fight Foreign Corporate Control Bill through the House. Now its the Labour Party who are running a petition on their bottom lines – head to the site and sign. http://go.labour.org.nz/tppa-bottom-lines
Awesome info Mo. Its been
Awesome info Mo. Its been really interesting learning about tppa our how it will affect us all and our tamariki. It sucks! Good luck with your guys hearing.
Why wait? It will be too late
Why wait? It will be too late. A vote of no confidence in this government now would see things change. I wouldn’t let them sign an employment agreement on my behalf, why would I let them sign away my kid’s and mokos future without knowing what’s in it. This country has really lost the plot. They (successive governments) think the answer lies in fixing the economy. How about fixing the people first and let them fix the economy. The banking profit in the March quarter was $1.25 bn. WTF do you do with 1.25Bn? That’s over $5bn per annum (and rising). We don’t see it. Greed, in the form of corporations will be our undoing if we don’t fix it now.
New flag. New rulers
New flag. New rulers
I am glad that I stumbled
I am glad that I stumbled across this because to me this is frightening we as a democratic society will lose our rights altogether. We have freedom of speech which is invaluable, there needs to be a lot more awareness campaigns, so yeah I agree, lets do the protest, keep posting to Social Media, TPPA is scary, our Treaty must be upheld.
I now live in Australia which
I now live in Australia which has just signed a free trade agreement with China and now people are concerned that there appears to be an allowance for big numbers of Chinese workers to come to Australia and work without visas for lower wages. No doubt on Chinese owned agriculture land.
Also imagine the TPPA with Donald Trump as US president!
i am concerned about this
i am concerned about this whole thing now, clock an dagger shit, distraction by our government aside from the real issues, after reading all the comments about the TPPA YEAH LETS HAVE A HIKIO…before we get sold down the river…lets put the brakes on these fellas, especially for our Mokopunas and future generations..
Kia Ora Moana,
Kia Ora Moana,
Congratulations on this write up which is a great as it goes someway to alerting everyone about this so called “trade agreement”. You are correct in that this is not just about trade because that is the least part of this agreement. Also negotiations actually started before John Keys, but he is certainly pushing it along. The next meeting which is predicted will be where NZ and 11 other nations sign this into being is only a week away if that so time is definitely of the essence. It is the most secretive deal ever negotiated and the citizens of all 12 nations will, I believe, be absolutely shocked at the amount of sovereignty that has been sold away for very little return. Countries like New Zealand do not need these types of FTA’s at all. I have been trying to alert our people back there about this agreement through posts in facebook and linkedin but up until your editorial there has not been much of a reaction. I think I got more responses from Aussies who were able to find out some details which really got them going. One of the major concerns I have is that this agreement basically commits each nation to ensure free trade, free access to most other things and a draconian clause that pretty well prevents any of the member nations from introducing legislation that would harm another nations access to your market or restrict some its products, then that nation can impose monetary penalties against your nation. So if NZ for example does not allow GMO products which are a products sold by the US giants, and it reinforces that legislation, then the US can impose penalties. But it goes further, because this is not just about market access it is, as you rightly highlight, about investment, natural resources, possibly even fishing rights etc. How many politicians are actually supporting this FTA and how many can the people pull together to fight it in the shortest possible time. You see, if it is signed, I wonder whether you will have the right to protest it and any of its contents given the potential penalties the country will face. This is huge so power to you and those who are back home there in NZ in the hope that you can get things together in the short time you all have available.
You are correct e hoa. It’s
You are correct e hoa. It’s more than a free trade agreement but MP Peter Dunne defeated the Fight Foreign Corporate Control bill last night in the House 61/60 that would’ve allowed some semblance of debate about the most contentious issues in the TPPA. Today the Waitangi Tribunal hears our claim on the need for urgency & the Crown counterclaim is it’s too late.
I ask…….. “Our Creator”
I ask…….. “Our Creator”
“Highest Power”
To STOP! these people from signing away our Rights..Freedom..Lands..Health system..Housing..Water..Flag..Our Treaty..Creator if ever there was a time for us to ask and to receive your blessing is ‘now’
‘God Save NewZealand/ers’
Everyone needs to tweet
Everyone needs to tweet @PeterDunneMP tonite to support the NZ bill Fight Foreign Corporate Control. Go to http://itsourfuture.org.nz for updates. Inundate MPs using petition on that site. Standby for Aug Week of Action.
Do we know how far along the
Do we know how far along the ratification process is? When you hear that Obama has won the right in congress to go ahead with this .. you get the feeling that it’s almost a done deal. Has our prime minister signed alread?. What gave him the right to do that on our behalf without proper consultation?
…surely a national petition
…surely a national petition wouldn’t go astray!..underline the need to knows.I was also thinking about our NZ counterparts who have made Aotearoa their home.We have fought,we have loved,we have agreed and agreed to disagree but our own descrepencies must be put aside so we can ALL deal with the issues at hand.They say that if you had to choose between two evils,which one should you choose?….”The lesser evil of the two of course!
This is really really scarey.
This is really really scarey. I don’t know what to say but I want to do something to get this message out and be part of the move to stop New Zealand from being part of this TPP I’m going to start by sharing this link and talking to everyone about this underhanded Government action which will affect us all.
I am so opposed to this trade
I am so opposed to this trade agreement. But what can we do to actually stop it from happening?
As Maori, we need to fight
As Maori, we need to fight this…as a descendant of a 28 th Maori Battalion Warrior, Maori must once again gird their loins, be courageous like our Tipuna , stand tall and say no no no ….
I have nothing to hide is
I have nothing to hide is what we hear when it is suggested SIS or others want to spy on us. Give these organisations an inch and they take a mile or more.
If the TPPA is so wonderful, why then does the Government not refute the suggestions as outlined in the article, why are they not open and honest??? Answer is they have something hide..
I am sure part of the campaign to change our flag is part of the deal.
There is dirty work going on and unless we the people both Maori & Pakeha stick together on this issue we will be paying a very high price for future generations.
I have nothing to hide is
I have nothing to hide is what we hear when it is suggested SIS or others want to spy on us. Give these organisations an inch and they take a mile or more.
If the TPPA is so wonderful, why then does the Government not refute the suggestions as outlined in the article, why are they not open and honest??? Answer is they have something hide..
I am sure part of the campaign to change our flag is part of the deal.
There is dirty work going on and unless we the people both Maori & Pakeha stick together on this issue we will be paying a very high price for future generations.
I thought our elected
I thought our elected government wasn’t allowed to sign law without consultation with it’s people they need to be stopped before it is too late this needs to be in the main stream media so everyone hears about it. more of the super rich trying to take over the world by stealth
Thanks Moana for making
Thanks Moana for making everything about this threat so clear. Come on Kiwis, do a bit of research on this. It’s all our futures and our childrens.
I have just completed a
I have just completed a submission to “Te Ture Whenua Maori Reform Bill Draft and reminded them of historical events that kept maori in check at every turn and at no point did maori benefit from the so called partnership with tauiwi. Tawhiao Tewherowhero Ariki of the Tainui people sought an audience with Queen Victoria to discuss his proposal he was referred back to NZ premier Robert Stout who declined to discuss anything prior to 1865. The struggle continues and as they say “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”. There are those who lead and those that follow kia kaha rau rangatira ma.
There’s no way of stopping it
There’s no way of stopping it it’s way to late congress has passed the taa for Obama to implement the final phase of these negotiations the next meeting and last which is this week will be the nail in the coffee for all countries involved not just Nz. HIKOI TODAY NOT TOMORROW
Here’s something everyone can
Here’s something everyone can do TODAY – phone, email, contact and put pressure on Mr Peter Dunne to support the Fighting Foreign Corporate Control Private members Bill initiated by NZ First member Fletcher Tabuteau. It has one active provision – “New Zealand must not enter into an agreement with one or more foreign countries that includes provision for investor-state dispute settlement.” NZ First, Labour, Greens & Maori support this bill – but Dunne is needed to get the numbers. (2) Keep Aug 15 free for a National Day of Action and (3) keep checking in on the #ItsOurFuture website.
“we know what’s best for you”
“we know what’s best for you” is so like “no worries mate”. We all know that means “I have no worries BUT you have”
I can’t stop thinking this is another bureaucrats work retention scheme. There is no common sense, so why else would they be negotiating?
Kia ora Koutou, Can any one
Kia ora Koutou, Can any one send me any information if their are any protest to take part in any of the Wellington regions. And it all starts and ends with national, $80 Billion dollars in debt to the U,S,, and the reason given for the borrowing of millions was because of kiwi saver which enabled national to scrap the thousand dollar starter for all new kiwi saver peeps. The changing of the flag and the referendum @ a cost of $26 million, Reason given, The prime minister was embarrassed that Aussie had sat him under their flag twice by mistake, well I never, what next? oh yes, the debacle with the housing trying to sell of all state homes and telling residents who want to buy their house they have been in for a number of years that they have to give iwi first right to buy back their land and most iwi don’t know this and when gone unanswered it is sold to the highest developer while the tenants are forced to move, Aroha mai Whanau but that is some of what I see national has done or are doing, Dam, one more whanau, The Kauri logs who belongs to none other than Judith Collins husbands company, Orivita, Passing them off as finished Wakairo(carvings), so their we have it Whanau, I believe it is time for people to not only speak out and protest, this government needs to be sacked, end of story, all of them and disbanded for fraud, (logs) untrue statements, (reform the foreshore and seabed, Housing, wanting to build on land that is not theirs ect, ect, ect. I believe in everything you and our people are doing, please keep up the fight and keep us informed, Kia Ora Whanau. Cheers Ramm.
Signing the TPPA will erode
Signing the TPPA will erode our sovereignty. Any cession of NZ sovereignty without full disclosure to all NZers is undemocratic and unconstitutional. Winning the general election provides no mandate to commit to the TPPA. The privelege of government allows the victor to implement its program by our transparent parliamentary process, with its various safeguards. It does not permit government to cede our rights in secret to an unknown extent without prospect of future challenge within our system.
The Flag referendum has
The Flag referendum has always been the smoke screen to keep us from asking questions about the TPPA. This TPPA is bad for the future of the country, health benefits, education and everything you can think of will be affected and everyone will suffer. John Key and his smug face will be laughing all the way to the Bank. If this goes through he knows he will not be PM again and he can leave the country to live in his beloved Hawaii and play golf with the ex president Obama. We have to fight this corrupt “treaty” to save ourselves.
This needs to be stopped
This needs to be stopped immediately. Can we do anything more to put a stop to this.
Well said. Where is the
Well said. Where is the opposition on this? Signing The TPPA will erode our self determination, sovereignty from without. Committing Kiwis to this treaty without disclosing its content is eroding our self determination from within, it is government without mandate. It is dictating to kiwis without them having a say (dictatoship?), certainly not democratic. Claiming a mandate to commit to the TPPA based on winning the general election is disingenuous. Cession of any sovereign or other right without full disclosure is a fundamental breach of democratic principles and of the foundations of constitutional law.
I think we as Kiwi have to
I think we as Kiwi have to tackle this head on we tried protest it was ignored we were informed by that twat Gossh we were eralevent. I think it’s time to send a message right where it will hurt. They seem to be on a power trip I thought our country was built by the people for the people where did this stop an become by national for national I am really worried about this we all should if it was good for us then why it all done in back rooms something stinks. I think we are about to lose every thing people if we just sit back.
I think a mass strike is in order a mass walk out the whole country stop work until we are heard ERALEVENT how dear he just saying
I’m glad the article has
I’m glad the article has brought more attention to what the government is doing behind closed doors…I also pleased to know that there are enough voices in NZ to fight for our country and people. To keep NZ free of oversea countries that will rape and privilege our land and resources. Keep our Sovereignty and keep democracy alive…
It is time for all New
It is time for all New Zealanders regardless of race to stand together as one nation, and to inform this two headed snake of a Government “NO” {TPPA} for a free New Zealand.
To be able to overcome the
To be able to overcome the Government we as the people of Aotearoa need to work as one. I am not talking about Maori and Colonial English I am speaking about the many nationalities that have made Aotearoa there permanent home. Kia kaha Aotearoa we can become a game changer ourselves. Takahia tenet ngangara kino.
So very pleased with the
So very pleased with the article from Moana, its about time we thought about every NZer in this beautiful country of ours, a comment about assistance from the Queen of the Commonwealth, it is probably the only way to go, our Flag represents that & reflects who we are as a nation.
It is happening already, A
It is happening already, A large multi-national has already highjacked our AllBlack team!
Is there any reason why we
Is there any reason why we can’t take this directly to the Governor General. We simply must have collective unity in this issue! no to TPPA
Is there any hope with the
Is there any hope with the high court ??? Assistance from the queen herself with this all!!! After all she is the governess of the treaty ! NZ ! Flag! Etc
Your article certainly has
Your article certainly has given us more reason to prove to the Key Govt how powerful our Waitangi Tribunal can be. People in Aotearoa must understand that we have no other avenue other than the tribunal to utilize the tribunal on behalf of all the people in Aotearoa as a collective means of unity and giving back the power to the people. Those multi national companies are killing off people via cigarettes and reveling in the multi millions that they take home without so much of a thought to your health and well being. Time for people to wake up and stand up for our rights. Say NO to TPPA!
I and my family have been
I and my family have been aware of what you so eloquently have written of, for a long time.
This proposed agreement is another brick in the erosion of rights within a country proud of its heritage.
Our politicians are elected to represent the people, it is what democracy is all about, instead our politicians represent a minority called “A Party”.
The party system, ensures individual representatives cannot do other than the Party and the Leader dictate. This is not how Democracy works.
Unfortunately, there are far too many sheep in the human shape in this country, far too many are prepared to lay back and be entertained by side distraction such as the flag, constitution changes, and a regular WINZ cheque.
The media in every form is more interested in feeding us pap news than true investigation. When you find somebody to buck the news system you find somebody moved on.
This is a well written, informative article, unfortunately it is also pearls before the swine. We can jump up and down and beat our chests, but while we have money grubbing self appreciating politicians looking to feather their own nests before the interests of our country and our people, in that I mean all people irrespective of race, religion, colour. The interests and wants of the the mass is ignored, by the arrogance of “we know whats best for you” attitudes. When they really mean we know whats best for us.
This agreement is Definitely NOT in the best interests of this country. In my personal opinion, any action to implement it is a direct act of treason against this nation and should be dealt with as such.
Thanks for this, I’ve been
Thanks for this, I’ve been really worried about the impact of the TPPA on our country and our kids future since I forest heard of it. I’m Pakeha, and it seems like there is NO way for me to challenge this, I’ve sign many emails, protests etc about it in the last few years, but the current government is clearly not paying any attention. The Waitangi Tribunal might be the only chance to block and challenge this legally, or least to get disclosure on what s begin signed! Aroha to everyone involved in taking it forward.
A cause well worth fighting
A cause well worth fighting for.
I am concerned too.Why not
I am concerned too.Why not organise a protest march for the same day at the same hour in every town through out the country and to be led by our young people who will be the ones to ultimately inherit this atrocity.
Great article, really well
Great article, really well written, no hype, no nonsense, just the dangers as they are.
I was told by my pharmacist
I was told by my pharmacist that Pharmac was a dog & I would have to take out insurance to pay for my Medicine, Without which I could not Survive, With regard to the TPPA!
So where abouts is our
So where abouts is our Governer General’s role, cmon Jerry werent u suppose to be representing the Crown and us before ticking off the ok’s, i do believq u have da last say b4 anything is passed by all Goverment parties.
In 1971 I was talking to my
In 1971 I was talking to my grandfather at my 21st he said to me your enemy wont be the Russians or China in the future,your enemy will be Multi nationals who will control govt.It has come to pass.
Great article about time
Great article about time people woke up to our so called leader, if the Union Jack leaves our flag the rules change drastically and will affect all of us, there will be no rules not as we know them anyway. But it’s already too late for that isn’t it the money has been spent so they will go ahead regardless. The TPPA is the scariest thing in this generation so far, but what would I, just a pure and simple New Zealander, know about anything??? More than they realise actually!!!!!!
I am concerned for our future
I am concerned for our future generations especially our mokopuna a March should be put into place asap
The Government has already
The Government has already done the dirty on this country, by letting the Chinese bye thousands of hectre’s in NZ,. Now the TPPA wants to get in on the act as well. Laws will be changed just to suit there needs of the TPPA and not the needs of the people of NZ. I say stop it now and let our voice’s be heard right across the country, together we are stronger .
This government has passed
This government has passed legislation negotiated and in process of negotiating agreements that are anti poor, ethnic minority, working and unemployed class as well as progressively relegating the middle class to lower tiers on the economic ladder. All done with a 2 seat parliamentary majority in the first 2 terms and with a 1 seat majority in this term. Too many of the most detrimentally affected choosing (for whatever dumb reason and we’ve heard them all) not to participate in the democratic electoral process.
I have read most of the above
I have read most of the above comments and would like to say. I believe the News media are keeping quiet because they are owned by corporations who stand to win in this deal.
One point, with the possible non-availability of generic drugs we would see a massive increase in Pandemics, eg Aids, Ebola Malaria.etc.
The only power we have is to mobilize what unions we have left and call a general strike, to force a vote of no-confidence in this government.
Removing any country of
Removing any country of origin labels on food.
Opening the way for GM food.
Passing laws to outlaw organising or participating in boycotts.
Reforming our financial systems along US lines
Imposing US law as the TPPA area standard (as seen in most End User Agreements ex America)
Its all in the TPPA and TTIP – and more
Kia ora Lisa, I had help from
Kia ora Lisa, I had help from Professor Kelsey, Dr George Laking and Dr Rhys Jones, who are all so very onto it. Now the situation is that we sent a letter to counsel for the Crown, seeking an undertaking from the Crown that no action would be taken towards making final commitments on behalf of New Zealand in negotiations until the claims have been resolved. The Crown responded, declining to give the undertaking sought. No surprises there. The tribunal has convened a judicial conference for Thursday to hear oral arguments from our claimant group. PS I wrote a song called Te Apo which is on our album WHA – its about the WTO and the phenomena of these investor/trade agreements.
Thanks so much for responding
Thanks so much for responding Moana. All the very best for Thursday, your voices will speak for a Nation (no pressure lol). Good to hear that you’ve already written a song, will check out Te Apo 🙂
this is a democratic country
this is a democratic country and MP’s are accountable to us citizen’s right? Then we cannot accept agreements being made without being fully informed of the content, and we need to act before it’s too late. Seems like this government is a business, not acting in the best interest of NZ’s.
That’s exactly what is
That’s exactly what is happening. The New Zealand government is registered as a corporation on the Security and Exchange Commission… In Washington, DC.
We will protest, we will cry foul, and the big boys that run this world will write us off as unruly peasants and do what they like anyway..
I am, of course, very cynical about this. There is always hope, but it’s pretty bleak.
Good luck, friends, I hope we can keep this beautiful country out of the clutches of the US.
Thanks Moana, this is a
Thanks Moana, this is a brilliant encapsulation of the most worrying and dire aspects of the TPPA, for Maori and all New Zealanders. I am 100% behind the the initiative that the six claimant groups have taken. I have heard though that the urgent hearing has been turned down, due to the proximity of the TPP deal being closed off? Keep fighting! Please keep using your public profile to bring some attention to this issue, and yes it would be great to see you speak at one of the marches, and perhaps even a song to hit the right note, for the airwaves 🙂
Great breakdown thanks I’ve
Great breakdown thanks I’ve already signed petitions keep me informed of the protest or hikoi please im keen. So sad
Ties in nicely with Maori
Ties in nicely with Maori Land Court reforms. They are going to get the rest of what little we have left. They also seem to be masters at creating a drama around a side issues such as undisclosed information, and have us running around, concentrating all our focus on trying to get access to it instead of organizing to reject it right from the start.
yes big concerns for the way
yes big concerns for the way in which the maori land courts are about to get a new reform im wandering just how much of the ture whenua acts will be changed added too or acts taken away very scary will our lands stay intact with the current stateous or are we about to be greeted with some act that will deprive us of governing and owning our lands as things sit today.i think a hikoi would be one way of getting things started so that everyone will then get a real feel of whats really goin on from one end of the country to the other. only way to make a statement but you gotta get every iwi on board and im sure that wont be to hard to do especially wen there maybe or is a threat of there lands being affected within this tppa negotiation carry on quite sickening really we havnt even finished land issues surrounding raupatu claims and do we really need this to hold up land claims from the different iwi i dont think so almost feels like a bit of a sneaky coo goin on.
Excellent breakdown of the
Excellent breakdown of the greatest threat posed to New Zealand in living memory .
It is not by accident that this so-called “free trade agreement” is being done in military style secrecy .
This is war by stealth .
And if you google TTIP you will find the second prong in the Corporate assault on democracy worldwide.
WW 2.1
”Oppose TPPA however and
”Oppose TPPA however and where-ever you can”
That’s the point I was making
That’s the point I was making, Jayse – there has been no meaningful engagement with anyone , let alone Maori – with whom there is a Treaty obligation. Maori are making an appeal to the Tribunal after nationwide marches, petitions, requests, questions in parliament, media etc has failed to force the government to engage. Ours is a long shot but we are trying.
there is going to be a
there is going to be a #TPPANOWAY Week of Action from 8th. to 15th. August around the country …you would make a great speaker at any of them Moana .
we have to do the job of the media now don’t you think ?
How about they consult with
How about they consult with New Zealanders as a whole and not just Maori! We as a Nation have a lot to lose when this goes ahead.
You’re kidding me, right?!
You’re kidding me, right?! This isn’t something that’s just happened. The apathy in this country is so severe that people will keep their heads buried in the sand until somebody else does something about it…which is what I think has happened regarding the effects the TPP agreement would have on the treaty. Don’t make it a racial thing, jayse. The powers that be don’t want to consult with anyone. Defenders of the Treaty are actually taking a stand and saying they want to be consulted.
We need to be marching in the
We need to be marching in the streets in great numbers over this issue. What I have been wondering is why there is so little coverage in our newspapers and tv and radio news. The public should have been educated on TPPA during the past couple of years. Our government is trying to pass this in secret and saying “Just trust us.” I don’t.
This headline caught me!
This headline caught me! Good article: What about this? Throw on the government’s table an “Upgrade of the Treaty of Waitangi”? ASAP. An upgrade that would instantly veto, automatically reject, non-patriotic acts such as TPPA. People maybe surprised at the potential ground-swell of support for such from all walks of life, all political colours, all ethnic backgrounds: I suspect a majority of Chinese who are descended over 100+ years here do not like what is going down re TPPA and foreign buyers, buying up Aotearoa, whatever their country or ethnicity, with no intention of living here! Their kids are missing out too. 100+ years they’re more kiwi than any 2nd generational !!! …they’re tangata whenua as far as I’m concerned. We should all get together to seriously bloody nationals nose over this TPPA and open door policy to foreign non-resident buy up of this nation, wrecking economy the property market long term . It has got to stop.
The TPPA, a New Flag, a new
The TPPA, a New Flag, a new Constitution and a new Head of State are all tied together.
I agree. First the flag then
I agree. First the flag then the rest because the rest was too much for people to get their heads around first up. The Treaty was with the British so a new constitution and a new head of state means Te Tiriti is no longer required?
It is not correct that the
It is not correct that the Americans (or we) aren’t allowed to see the text for 4 years. The text final agreed text will be presented to Parliament after it is signed and is unable to be changed without consent of all the other 11 countries. It is all the background papers and draft texts that show us what happened that will be kept secret for four years. But because we can’t change the text once it is made public, the parliamentary process is therefore a sham. The only power Parliament will have is to refuse to pass changes to any laws that may be required, such as the law on medicine patents. But many parts of the TPPA won’t require changes to law; they will be made by other means or lock in the unsatisfactory status quo. That means people have to speak out now.
Hi Jane, with regards to the
Hi Jane, with regards to the Waitangi Tribunal hearing that has been requested by the six claimant groups, is there absolutely nothing else that can be done legally to challenge the Government? Does the TPP not breach it’s own classification as a Trade Agreement as it consists of elements which fall WELL outside trade. It’s clear that the designation of the TPP as a Trade Agreement, has been a deliberate manipulation of our democratic process, in order to circumvent the legislative oversight of Parliament, and to maintain exclusive oversight by the Executive. Isn’t this fraudulent? Why isn’t there anything that can be done to challenge the very foundation of the TPP, and let Tim Groser provide evidence in a court of law which proves that it is primarily a trade agreement, and qualifies as a Trade Agreement under NZ Law. I would so appreciate a response to this, as it’s been really bothering me.
Well said Lisa, I agree with
Well said Lisa, I agree with you, what right do they have, and why haven’t legal officials jumped in and said something? Are they for this? Are they handcuffed to get a better deal if they agree? Please help.
My understanding was that
My understanding was that America was not interested in the TPPA but became concerned about the South Pacific when China became interested. Whatever it is, an agreement kept from the people has potential for disaster. All our systems and way of life will be affected. Freedom, freedom to choose, health and welfare, education. I also believe Pharmac will disappear. Correct me if I am wrong.
All the countries that agree
All the countries that agree with the TPPA will lose the sovereignty,this thing is about the big rich companies getting richer, will lose our treaty of Waitangi that N Z Government will only be a puppet to the big richest companies in world, they have their own court with their own judges that’s a lose lose situation,not good at all
I believe that we have naive
I believe that we have naive “masters” who believe they are dealing a benign group of like interested people.
We are not.
600 corporations have had their killer trained Rottweiler law firms writing 80% of the text, and that does not bode will for you and me.
Personal letters to Groser (and Key) assure me there will be an unspecified period for public perusal and discussion, but I believe this to be purely a smokescreen, as the Americans are not allowed to see it for 4 years.
Looks like another “Hikoi”
Looks like another “Hikoi” might be upon us…
Tautoko hikoi
Tautoko hikoi
there is case law about the
there is case law about the meaning of ‘consultation’, and it includes entering the discussion with a mind that is open to a change to the proposal on the table. In relation to the TPPA, that might be the makings of a Tui advert. I have been trying to follow this issue for some months now, and have heard nothing from the government to gainsay the concerns expressed in this post and elsewhere, other than to assert the likely benefits of belonging. Aw stuff it, let’s just have a new flag…
The WTO and the American
The WTO and the American government have been trying to tie this deal for the last 10 years,if not more.
John Key has been groomed for this from the very beginning of his political career.
Lets stop TPPA ,im not a fan
Lets stop TPPA ,im not a fan of John Key or anybody who is willing to jeopardise our right as a people in Aotearoa. This is about all of us working to put a stop to it .Any clear idea’s on how we can impact on this deal?
I would love to be more pro
I would love to be more pro-active against this but most of the marches etc are in the cities. How else can we help to put a stop to this and the ridiculous crap that is happening with the flag and the amount of money being spent on a referendum!
Kia ora Kaye, there are a
Kia ora Kaye, there are a couple of social media petition sites where you can start your own petition. They are, The sum of us. And, change.org I think.
Cheers
DM
So this is why the hoohaa
So this is why the hoohaa about “A new flag” then change over to this….really! I will never tick that box.
i think people are slowly
i think people are slowly catching on, that the whole flag thing is just a cunning ruse, a distraction from the real issue which is the tppa issue. Put it out there on social media as it isn’t controlled by spin doctors like television or print media. Interesting how the media are now having to revert to the ” old Maori bash tactic” to keep public distracted. They are scraping the barrel now with the police in south Auckland wanting to help Maori drivers, saying it’s racist. Nothing stirs up New Zealanders like a good bit of moari bashing. This is a tactic that has been used by governments for a longtime now to take focus off what they are doing
So what can we do about this
So what can we do about this to protect ourselves and the rest of NZ? There’s got to be SOMETHING we can do!!!!!!
There is a Nationwide day of
There is a Nationwide day of protest against the TPPA coming up in August – email your MP ( not that the buggers listen but we have to try ) . Join Facebook groups that oppose the TPPA and you’ll get info on what is being planned.
If the million people who didn’t bother voting , had voted , who knows where we’d be .
God defend the people rights
God defend the people rights and the Treaty of Waitangi
.Stop the TPPA ! Help us Father !! Thank you Amene
Organise a march to
Organise a march to parliament..
We who disagree with tha TPPA
We who disagree with tha TPPA can’t let this happen,there is a hidden agenda to this.
Very dangerous ground if this goes ahead,we won’t have rights at all,and will have no say in what goes on in NZ.
Our health care will deminish,our govt,like the FDA won’t let us have access to any cancer curing drugs,as they don’t want a cure,they would stand to lose to many billions of dollars.We will all be controlled,as micro chipping for humans is about to happen as well.There is so much more to this than meets the eye.Scary!
I’m shocked by this
I’m shocked by this revelation & am greatful to those who have brought this to our attention & will also follow up on further developments with keen interest! You have my total support in opposing this bill.
No have nothing to do with
No have nothing to do with TPPA …Wake Up AOTEAROA …RIGHT NOW let’s MARCH INTO Wellington and PROTEST !!!!!
No milk or meat in this trade
No milk or meat in this trade at all~ Americans took it out!!!
Are you kidding me? We raise
Are you kidding me? We raise the best milk and beef cattle int he world and have plenty of it. Look somewhere else for the culprit my friends.